Masacre en palestina.

[GSL]

Se agradeceria una traduccion al ingles.

Salud y Libertad!
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La ciudad de Gaza, en Palestina, es hoy un horrendo escenario donde la guerra provoca día con día más y más victimas mortales, las cuales ya se cuentan por centenares (casi 800 muertes hasta el día de hoy) y miles de heridos. El Estado de Israel ha atacado indiscriminadamente desde el pasado 27 de diciembre a la población palestina; el pretexto para llevar adelante esta asesina ofensiva contra la población civil ha sido el ataque realizado por Hamas (grupo político-militar fundamentalista islámico que gobierna Palestina desde el 2006) con misiles caseros a ciudades israelíes.

Ambos gobiernos, el de Israel y el de Palestina, representan los respectivos intereses de los explotadores de cada uno de sus bandos, por lo que tomar un lado en esta guerra es tomar lado por uno de los bandos capitalistas que en función de defender sus intereses burgueses atacan indiscriminadamente a la población civil de ambos lados de la frontera. Estos dos gobiernos (como todos los gobiernos en general) son ajenos a los intereses de los proletarios de la región y del mundo, y al mismo tiempo que condenamos los crímenes contra la población civil provocados por el gobierno de Israel de un lado y por Hamas del otro, declaramos que la única salida que podrían encontrar en estos momentos los explotados palestinos, que están siendo cruelmente masacrados, es llamar a la confraternización con los proletarios de Israel, sus hermanos de clase y sus mejores aliados en estos duros momentos, para luchar unidos contra ambos gobiernos.

Todas las organizaciones izquierdistas del mundo que se oponen a la agresión de Israel en Gaza nos hablan de apoyar la “resistencia palestina”, una falsa y peligrosa consigna que mezcla a los explotadores con los explotados palestinos, y que impide que el proletariado de Palestina se reconozca como clase y que los proletarios del resto del mundo, en lugar de solidarizarnos con nuestros hermanos explotados de esa región, brindemos nuestro apoyo a todo el “pueblo palestino”, incluidas las reaccionarias y explotadoras organizaciones Palestinas como Hamas (que ha reprimido a los trabajadores palestinos que se han ido a huelga acusándolos de “traición a los intereses nacionales”), la OLP, entres otras, que siempre han tenido como objetivo la creación de un Estado palestino independiente, es decir, una nueva nación capitalista, una “propia” prisión nacional de los proletarios palestinos.

La única resistencia que podemos apoyar y defender es la que den los explotados de Palestina frente al Estado de Israel y frente a sus propios gobernantes que les explotan y les reprimen. Esta resistencia sólo puede representar los verdaderos intereses de los explotados si mantiene integra su autonomía de clase frente a las organizaciones burguesas de todo pelaje (Hamas, Yihad Islámica, OLP, FDLP, etc.) y sí adquiere un carácter internacionalista, llamando a los proletarios del otro lado de la frontera (y a los del mundo) a luchar de manera unida contra todas las barbaries perpetradas por el capitalismo. Quienes llaman a levantar una “resistencia nacional” en Palestina no hacen sino repetir el repugnante discurso de los reaccionarios gobernantes palestinos, que para encuadrar y someter a la clase obrera de Palestina le llaman a luchar por la “defensa nacional” frente al supuesto “enemigo común”.

Otras de las confusiones promovidas por los izquierdistas es repetir una y otra vez que Israel es un “Estado asesino”, mientras llaman a la “comunidad internacional”, incluidos otros países y organismos capitalistas como la ONU a que frenen la criminal masacre en Gaza. Es cierto, el de Israel es un Estado asesino (y debemos de condenar los crímenes que comete y ha cometido contra la población), pero asesinos son todos y cada uno de los Estados del mundo, que existen para legalizar y mantener, mediante las leyes y mediante la violencia abierta, la explotación de una clase sobre otra, así que la única posición clara es afirmar que mientras existan los Estados (todos) existirán las guerras, la explotación y la miseria, y que hacer diferencias entre Estados “asesinos” y “no asesinos”, como entre Estados “democráticos” y “totalitarios” es una falsa ilusión reaccionaria para los explotados de todo el mundo, para quienes su enemigo no es uno u otro Estado en particular, sino todos ellos.

Además de lo anterior, hay quienes hablan de luchar por una “Palestina Libre”, esa consigna no significa más que el apoyo a la creación de un Estado-nación palestino, una falsa alternativa para los explotados. El proletariado es una clase mundial, no tiene nación, por tanto, su lucha no tiene, ni puede tener, un carácter nacional. El carácter de la lucha de la clase trabajadora es internacional, por la destrucción mundial del capitalismo y por la creación de una sociedad sin clases y sin fronteras.

Es necesario, además, que entendamos que la guerra es indispensable para el propio funcionamiento del capitalismo, pues ésta sirve para “resolver” las rivalidades político-económicas de las diferentes burguesías nacionales representadas por cada uno de los Estados del mundo, por tanto, para librarnos de las guerras, es preciso que nos deshagamos del capitalismo, para lograrlo se requiere de la lucha, la solidaridad y la organización de la clase trabajadora mundial, que tiene, gracias a su poder social, su número y su capacidad de organización, la fuerza para terminar con un sistema explotador y asesino como lo es éste en el que vivimos actualmente y construir una nueva sociedad, en la que la barbarie de la guerra no esté nunca más presente.

[yoSkAn]

City of Gaza, Palestine, is today a harrowing stage where the war causes day to day and more and more mortal victims, who are now hundreds (nearly 800 till today) and thousands of injured. The State of Israel has indiscriminately attacked from the past 27th Dec the palestinian population; the excuse used to go on with this murdering ofensive has been the Hamas attack (military-politic group who governs Palestina since 2006) with homemade missiles to israelite towns.

Both goverments, Israelite and Palestinian, represents the exploiter respective interest from each one of the side, that´s why take party in this war from one of the capitalist side, that in function of defence his burgeoise interest attack indiscriminatedly the civil population of both sides of the border. This two goverments (like all goverments in general) are unconnected to the proletarian interests of the region and the world., and, at the same time we condemn the crimes againts civil population caused by the govern of israel from one side, and from Hamas by the other, we state the only exit they could find the exploited palestinians in this moments, that are being cruelty murdered, is to call the fraternization whit the proletarians of Israel, his brothers in class and his best allies in this hard moments, to fight together against both goverments.

sigo otro día..aun queda q lo repase q lo he hecho de seguido y puede q tenga errores gramaticales

[yoSkAn]

Every left-wing organization of the world wich are opposed to the israelite agresison in Gaza tell us about support
the palestinian resistance, a false and dangerous slogan that mix the palestinian exploiters with the palestinian exploited, and prevent the palestinian proletariat recognize its class and the proletarians from the rest of the world, besides solidarize with our brothers exploited from that region, offer our support to all the palestinian population, included the reactionary and exploiter palestinian organizations as Hamas (which has suppressed the palestinian workers who are gone to strike, accusing them of "traition to the national interests), the PLO, between others, which has always have the creation of a new Palestinian Independent State as an objetive, so, a new capitalist nation, the own-national prision of the palestinian proletarians.

The only resistance we can support and defence is that one the exploited from Palestina against the State of Israel and against his owns governants, who exploit them and suppress them. This resistance sonly could represent the true interests of the exploited if it maintain upright its class autonomy against the bourgeoise organizations of all kinds (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, PLO, DFLP, a.s.o.) and acquire an internationalist nature, calling the workers from the other side of the frontier (and from the world) to figth together against all the barbarity carried out by the capitalism. Those who calls to start a national resistance of Palestine doesn´t do anything else but to repeat the revolting speech of the reactionary palestinian governants, that in orther to classify and subjugate the palestinian working-class, call it to fight for the national defence against the suppossed "common enemy".

Other of the confussion promoted by the left-wing is to repeat again and again that Israel is a Murderer State, while call the international community, included other countries and capitalist organizations as UN to stop the criminal massacre in Gaza. It´s true, the Israelite one is a murder stte (and we have to condemn the crimes it makes and has made) but murder are all and each one of the states of the world, which exists to legalize and maintain, through the open violence, the explotation of one class to the other, so the only clear position is to assert that while exist a State (all) will exist wars, explotation and misery, and that to make differences between murder or not-murder states, as between democratic and totalitarian, is a false reactionary illusion for the exploited from all the world, whose enemy is not particularly one state or another, but all of them

Sigo poquto a poco, y seguira teniendo errores de expresión y demás..si alguien quiere ir revisando

[yoSkAn]

Besides this, there´s who talk about fight for a Palestinian Freedom. This slogan doesn´t mean anything else but the support to the creation of a new Palestinian State-Nation, a forged choice for the exploited. The proletriat is a world class, without nation, so his fgth neither have nor could have a nationalist character. The working class fighting character is internatioanlis, for the world capitalism destruction and for the creation of a no-classes and no-frontiers society.

It´s necessary that we understand about the war is something essential for how the capitalism works, because this is useful to "solve" the politic-economic rivalries of the different national bourgeoisies represented by each one of the States of the world, so, to get rid of wars, it´s necessary we get rid of capitalism, and to achieve the fight, it´s necessary the solidarity and organization of world working class, whose have, thanks to his social power, his number and his capacity of organization, the strenght to finish up with a murderer and exploiter system as it´s this one we live now, and build a new society where the barbarity of the war will never be present again

Per favore, se ruega al q tenga conocimientos de inglés q se lo lea a ver si está más o menos bien y se entiende, porque no tengo claros algunos auxiliares ni preposiciones q la traducción inversa siempre fue algo complicada

[yoSkAn]

City of Gaza, Palestine, is today a harrowing stage where the war causes day to day and more and more mortal victims, who are now hundreds (nearly 800 till today) and thousands of injured. The State of Israel has indiscriminately attacked from the past 27th Dec the palestinian population; the Hamas attack (military-politic group who governs Palestina since 2006) with homemade missiles to israelite towns has been the excuse used to go on with this murdering ofensive.

Both goverments, Israelite and Palestinian, represents the exploiter respective interest from each one of the side, that´s why take party in this war it to take party from one of the capitalist side, that in function of defence his burgeoise interest attack indiscriminatedly the civil population of both sides of the border. This two goverments (like all goverments in general) are unconnected to the proletarian interests of the region and the world, and, at the same time we condemn the crimes againts civil population caused by the govern of israel from one side, and from Hamas by the other, we state the only exit they could find the exploited palestinians in this moments, that are being cruelty murdered, is to call the fraternization whit the proletarians of Israel, his brothers in class and his best allies in this hard moments, to fight together against both goverments.


Every left-wing organization of the world wich are opposed to the israelite aggression in Gaza tell us about support
the palestinian resistance, a false and dangerous slogan that mix the palestinian exploiters with the palestinian exploited, and prevent the palestinian proletariat recognize its class and the proletarians from the rest of the world. Besides solidarize with our brothers exploited from that region, we "should" offer our support to all the palestinian population, included the reactionary and exploiter palestinian organizations as Hamas (which has suppressed the palestinian workers who are gone to strike, accusing them of "traition to the national interests"), the PLO, between others, which has always have the creation of a new Palestinian Independent State as an objetive, so a new capitalist nation, the own-national prision of the palestinian proletarians.

The only resistance we can support and defence is that where the exploited from Palestina is against the State of Israel and against his owns governants, who exploit them and suppress them. This resistance only could represent the true interests of the exploited if it maintain upright its class autonomy against the bourgeoise organizations of all kinds (Hamas, Islamic Jihad, PLO, DFLP, a.s.o.) and acquire an internationalist nature, calling the workers from the other side of the frontier (and from the world) to figth together against all the barbarity carried out by the capitalism. Those who calls to start a national resistance of Palestine doesn´t do anything else but to repeat the revolting speech of the reactionary palestinian governants, that in orther to classify and subjugate the palestinian working-class, call it to fight for the national defence against the suppossed "common enemy".

Other of the confusion promoted by the left-wing is to repeat again and again that Israel is a Murderer State, while call the international community, included other countries and capitalist organizations as UN to stop the criminal massacre in Gaza. It´s true, the Israelite one is a murderer state (and we have to condemn the crimes it makes and has made) but murderer are all and each one of the states of the world, which exists to legalize and maintain, through the open violence, the explotation of one class to the other, so the only clear position is to assert that while exist a State (all and each one of them) will exist wars, explotation and misery, and that to make differences between murder or not-murder states, as between democratic and totalitarian, is a false reactionary illusion for the exploited from all the world, whose enemy is not particularly one state or another, but all of them.

Besides this, there´s who talk about fight for a Palestinian Freedom. This slogan doesn´t mean anything else but the support to the creation of a new Palestinian State-Nation, a forged choice for the exploited. The proletriat is a world class, without nation, so his figth neither have nor could have a nationalist character. The working class fighting character is internationalist, for the world capitalism destruction and for the creation of a no-classes and no-frontiers society.

It´s necessary that we understand about the war is something essential for how the capitalism works, because this is useful to "solve" the politic-economic rivalries of the different national bourgeoisies represented by each one of the States of the world, so, to get rid of wars, it´s necessary we get rid of capitalism, and to achieve the fight, it´s necessary the solidarity and organization of world working class, whose have, thanks to his social power, his number and his capacity of organization, the strength to finish up with a murderer and exploiter system as it´s this one we live now, and build a new society where the barbarity of the war will never be present again.

Pues bueno, lo he corregido y alguna cosilla la he cambiao ligeramente pq en castellano enrevesao al inglés queda un inglés imposible...q los anglos son mu sencillicos... y he corregido faltas asi q si nadie más aporta alternativas, que aunq yo crea q está bien pues se me puede estar colando algun fallo garrafal... pero en ppio ya tienes la traducción

[Pablo (A)]

No sé si llego tarde... algún cambio metería:

City of Gaza, Palestine

Ahí habría que meter un artículo, quedando "The City of Gaza, Palestine". Además, ofensive se escribe "offensive", y se te ha colado un "Palestina" que debería ser "Palestine" . Por lo demás, el primer párrafo está bien.

Both goverments, Israelite and Palestinian, represents the exploiter respective interest from each one of the side, that´s why take party in this war it to take party from one of the capitalist side, that in function of defence his burgeoise interest attack indiscriminatedly the civil population of both sides of the border. This two goverments (like all goverments in general) are unconnected to the proletarian interests of the region and the world, and, at the same time we condemn the crimes againts civil population caused by the govern of israel from one side, and from Hamas by the other, we state the only exit they could find the exploited palestinians in this moments, that are being cruelty murdered, is to call the fraternization whit the proletarians of Israel, his brothers in class and his best allies in this hard moments, to fight together against both goverments.

Ejem, aquí hay mucho lío... ¿qué tal así?

"Both governments, Israelite and Palestinian, represent the exploiters' respective interests from each one's side; that's why taking part in this war implies taking part for one of the capitalist sides, which in order to defend their bourgeoise interests attack the civil population of both sides of the border indiscriminately. These two governments (like all governments in general) have no contact with the proletarian interests of the region and the world, so at the same time we condemn the crimes against civil population triggered by the government of Israel on one side and Hamas on the other, we state that the only path that could be followed by the exploited palestinians, who are being ruthlessly massacred, would be a call to the fraternization with israelite proletarians, their brothers in class and their best allies in these hard moments to fight both governments together."

Every left-wing organization of the world wich are opposed to the israelite aggression in Gaza tell us about support
the palestinian resistance, a false and dangerous slogan that mix the palestinian exploiters with the palestinian exploited, and prevent the palestinian proletariat recognize its class and the proletarians from the rest of the world. Besides solidarize with our brothers exploited from that region, we "should" offer our support to all the palestinian population, included the reactionary and exploiter palestinian organizations as Hamas (which has suppressed the palestinian workers who are gone to strike, accusing them of "traition to the national interests"), the PLO, between others, which has always have the creation of a new Palestinian Independent State as an objetive, so a new capitalist nation, the own-national prision of the palestinian proletarians.

"All the left-wing organizations in the world opposing the israelite aggression on Gaza ask us to support the "palestinian resistance", a false and dangerous slogan that mixes exploited palestinians with their exploiters, preventing the palestinian proletariat from recognizing itself as a class and making as well workers from the rest of the world, instead of showing solidarity with our exploited brothers in that region, support the "palestinian people", including reactionary and exploiter palestinian organizations such as Hamas (which has repressed palestinian workers who were on strike, accusing them of "treason against national interests") or the PLO, amongst others, which has always held the goal of creating a new Independent Palestinian State, that is, a new capitalist nation, an own-national prison for palestinian proletarians."

Otro rato más, discúlpame por destriparte el trabajo, yoSkAn

[yoSkAn]

no, por favor, destripa, destripa... es q ami las traducciones ala invrsa no se me dan muy allá pero al menos sente las bases pa q otros lo pongais bonito

"callejero" que correcto...y si ellos mismos se pasan las reglas gramaticales por el forro, pues yo aprendo como aprendo..."de aquella manera"

y pa defenderme, conste que al propio comunicado es castellanoo le metía un buen repaso de estilo